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---
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title: Jesus FAQ
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date: 2011-12-13
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techne: :incomplete
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episteme: :believed
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---
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Introduction
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============
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I'm totally biased.
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## Conventions
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I'm sticking to a few rules in this overview (and the rest of my writing).
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1. Whenever I use a name, I'll stick to the most common English version, but
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give original version the first time I mention them. There are a few exceptions.
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Some characters vary dramatically depending on the community, so to untangle
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them I'll use different names for different versions, either by using an obvious
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alias (Chrestos for the Marcionite Jesus) or by using fanfic tags
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(catholic!Jesus).
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2. Texts are always linked in both original and translated versions. If it's
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unclear what the original language was, I'll mention all plausible candidates.
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3. I often give probability estimates that reflect my own certainty in a
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particular belief, like so: "(muflax: 50%)". I sometimes also give them for other
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writers, but then typically without numerical estimates.
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4. A "myth" is any kind of story, true or not. "Fiction" is not true, and
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obvious as such to the reader. A person is "mythological" if it appears in myths
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and "historical" if there is evidence to attest their existence outside of myth.
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Someone can be both at the same time: [Adolf Hitler][] is historical, but
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[Jetpack Hitler][] is mythological.
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Dramatis personae
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=================
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Who are all these people?
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TODO: Stammbaum
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The groupings are a bit arbitrary and overlap somewhat, but I think they make
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the most sense this way. I've ordered them roughly by importance, but that's not
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a value judgment. I totally like Longinus too.
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Prophets
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--------
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### Jesus
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- Joshua (a jewish prophet)
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- Yeshu (an evil prophet)
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- the Son of God
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- Christus (the messiah)
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- Chrestos (the Marcionite version)
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- Isa (the ascetic)
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I'll use "Jesus" as a collective name for all these persons and otherwise use
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the relevant specific version. This might be a bit confusing at first, but I do
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this to separate the traditions and make it easier to see just how messed up the
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modern myth is.
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### John the Baptist
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aka John the Baptizer
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### James the Just
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Apostles
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--------
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### Paul
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- Paulus, St. Paul
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- Saul of Tarsus, Saulus
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- Simon Magus
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-
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### Peter
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aka Simon Peter, St. Peter, Petrus
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I'll typically just
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### Judas Iscariot
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aka Judas the False One
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Church Fathers
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(And "fathers?" No women? Well, honestly, not really. There is exactly one and
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she is mythological.)
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### Marcion
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### Augustine of Hippo
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Historians
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### Josephus
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Others
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------
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### Herod
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# Historicity
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*But maybe there's a historical Jesus all the mythological accounts are based on?*
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I don't think so. (muflax: 70%) You may be able to reconstruct some plausible
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minimalistic accounts, or reduce him to some other figure like Siddhattha
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Gotama, but I think both of these approaches miss the point. Back in the old
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Soviet Union, people told this Radio Yerevan joke:
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> The Armenian Radio was asked: Is it true that Ivan Ivanovich from Moscow won a
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> car in the lottery?
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>
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> The Armenian Radio answered: In principle yes, but it wasn't Ivan Ivanovich
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> but Aleksander Aleksandrovich, he isn't from Moscow but from Odessa, it was
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> not a car but a bicycle, and he didn't win it, but it was stolen from him.
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> Everything else is correct.
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At some point you just have to let go and say "he isn't real".
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[Adolf Hitler]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
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[Jetpack Hitler]: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StupidJetpackHitler
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title: The Broken Savior
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title: Theology in a Godless World
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date: 2011-10-17
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techne: :incomplete
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episteme: :believed
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# Topics
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- [Tracing the Gospels][]
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- [Tracing Paul][]
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- [On the Crucifixion][]
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- [Living in Hell][]
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- [Divine Command Theory for Atheists][]
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- [An Empty God][]
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- [Killing Jesus][]
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- [Jesus FAQ][]
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- [Against Asceticism][]
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- [Serving An Absent God][] aka Divine Command Theory for Atheists
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- [Devil's Guide to Theology][]
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# Short FAQ
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### Is this apologetics?
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No. This isn't really about Christianity, just Christ and salvation. I'm not
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interested in politics.
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No. This isn't really about Christianity, just the Christ. It's not
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about Buddhism, just the end of suffering. There is no savior, just salvation.
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In other words, I'm not defending a political or religious institution. I'm
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just thinking about topics that cluster more-or-less around religion. Some of it
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is philosophy, some history, some morality and some fiction.
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### Are you a Christian?
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No. I occassionally identify as a Buddhist, but really, I'm just a normal
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non-believing atheist internet crackpot.
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No. I occassionally call myself a Buddhist or Christian atheist, but really, I'm
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just a normal non-believing internet crackpot.
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### Then why do you care so much about Christ?
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### Do you think Christ was historical?
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No. The best you can do is reconstruct some plausible minimalistic accounts, but
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they always remind me of the old Radio Yerevan joke:
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> The Armenian Radio was asked: Is it true that Ivan Ivanovich from Moscow won a
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> car in a lottery?
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>
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> The Armenian Radio answered: In principle yes, but it wasn't Ivan Ivanovich
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> but Aleksander Aleksandrovich, he is not from Moscow but from Odessa, it was
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> not a car but a bicycle, and he didn't win it, but it was stolen from him.
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> Everything else is correct.
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I think that any attempt to historize Christ misses the point. He must be
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understood on theological grounds. You must wrestle with mercy and damnation,
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not birth dates and miracles.
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