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title: Antinatalism FAQ
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date: 2011-11-16
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techne: :incomplete
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episteme: :believed
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---
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> If only I could show you the places I have seen, you might understand the
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> things I say. I have been to the Desolate Lands, wandered by those souls who
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> still see the lands of the living but wear the cloak of the dead. Blind to
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> their own ends, they cry, passing through one another like shadows in the
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> dying light of day. I have travelled to where souls rot in torment, pierced
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> with the jagged shards of life and vision, clinging to memory - regrets of
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> the flesh. I saw that this prison was of their own making, and that the key
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> was in unknowing, in release... and still, I travelled on.
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>
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> And finally, I came to the place where souls go to die. Where the mirrored and
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> worn spirits fall into an endless sea of grey, mirrored glass, and I lowered
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> myself within, and lay there among them, and I almost did not return.
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>
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> And do you know what I found there? There, among the silent and battered
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> shells of the innumerable? Peace. Enlightenment. Truth. Only then did I realize
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> that this place, this "Life", is an abomination, a horrible distortion of the
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> natural order. This *"Life"*, who mothered Pain, and Fear, and Envy... these
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> twisted children who exist only because we are here to feed them, to nourish
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> them. This *"Life"*, this *afterthought* - a disturbance, a mere ripple in that
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> great, dead sea, not even the cause, but merely an effect, sending these souls
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> upwards, screaming for release from the day they are torn from their waters!
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> The effect of what?!
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> I do not know. Nor do I care.
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>
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> Have you ever spoken with the dead? Called to them from this side? Called them
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> from their silent rest? Do you know what it is that they feel? Pain. Pain,
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> when torn into this wakefulness, this reminder of the chaos from which they
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> had escaped. Pain - for having to live. There will be no more pain. There
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> will be no more chaos.
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> -- [Kerghan][] the Wise ([video][Kerghan Speech])
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# Why You Got Screwed
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Why you have been harmed by coming into existence and nothing you can do will
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make up for it.
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# Range of Positions
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## Pronatalism
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It is never wrong to bring someone into existence.
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## Minor Antinatalism
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There are some beings who are worse off, but on average, it works out. This
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seems like the majority view.
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## Major Antinatalism
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Some beings are better off alive, but on average, the harm dominates. So far,
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this is for example the position of many transhumanists, who think that humanity
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has a possible good future, but so far has mostly suffered. It is not too
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unusual for people to hold off on having children because the world is too
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horrible right now.
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## Categorical Antinatalism
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It is always wrong to bring someone into existence. *Every* being is worse off
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alive. Even [Manabi][]. This is what I'm arguing for.
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# What about future versions of yourself?
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Self, person-moments. Should you kill yourself right now?
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# Moral Imperative
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Comparison to Vampire RPG. In it, you are a recently turned vampire who has to
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feed on the living to survive. Your constant hunger for blood makes it likely
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that you will one day lose control and kill whoever you're feeding off. You must
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exploit a large number of humans merely to survive. You know that this is wrong,
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yet your own need to survive makes you do it anyway. You could do the right
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thing anytime and just step out into the sun tomorrow. Yet you don't. No matter
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what you tell yourself, you are evil.[^social]
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[^social]: The analogy to our economy, social system and all of
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industrialization is too obvious to ignore.
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# Practical Implications
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Is this just a contrarian position? Are you merely signalling how deep and
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unconventional you are? After all, even professional ethicists aren't more
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ethical on average[^ethicistfail].
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[^ethicistfail]: See [Schwitzgebel's various studies][Schwitzgebel Ethics].
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# Religious Analogies
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## Gnosticism
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Even Jesus was an Antinatalist.
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A minor remark: antinatalism also provides a solution to Anselm's ontological
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argument, like so:
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1. God is the greatest possible being. (Definition)
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2. It is best to not exist. (Antinatalism)
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3. Therefore, God does not exist.
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## Shakers
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How not to do it.
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## Genetic Exploitation
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Being a sucker for genes.
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## Buddhism.
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[Manabi]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gakuen_Utopia_Manabi_Straight!
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[Schwitzgebel Ethics]: http://schwitzsplinters.blogspot.com/2007/04/moral-behavior-of-ethics-professors.html
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[Kerghan]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcanum
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[Kerghan Video]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkBrIrQikWY
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