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[Kaldor Hicks]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaldor%E2%80%93Hicks_efficiency
[Runner's High]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorphin#Runner.27s_high
[Sephirot]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephirot
[Eristische Dialektik]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Being_Right
[Predestination]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_%28Calvinism%29#Double_predestination
[Sophie's Choice]: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/10/07
[Doctrine of Double Effect]: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/double-effect/

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[Gamer Mom Source]: http://adventure.gamism.org/gamer_mom/gm.js
[jure robic]: https://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/05/sports/playmagazine/05robicpm.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all
[kurzban willpower]: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mind-design/201108/willpower-is-not-resource
[grognor tweet trolling]: https://twitter.com/Rongorg/status/213066488205156352
[Linus C++]: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/linus
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[LW dust]: http://lesswrong.com/lw/n3/circular_altruism/hv4
[LW pencil]: http://lesswrong.com/lw/ka/hold_off_on_proposing_solutions/6mv3?context=1#comments
[LW disagreement]: http://lesswrong.com/lw/85h/better_disagreement/
[LW tool ai]: http://lesswrong.com/lw/cze/reply_to_holden_on_tool_ai/
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[Hanson smile]: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/09/poor-folks-do-smile.html

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title: Crackpot Beliefs (The Theory)
alt_titles: [Crackpot Theory]
date: 2012-02-20
tags:
- crackpottery
- discordianism
- NAMBLA
techne: :done
episteme: :believed
slug: 2012/02/20/crackpot-beliefs-the-theory/
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> The belief that "order is true" and disorder is false or somehow wrong, is the Aneristic Illusion. To say the same of disorder, is the Eristic Illusion.
To believe that Some Beliefs Are True is the Aneristic Delusion, to believe that Some Methods Of Belief-Finding Are True the Meta-Aneristic Delusion. However, to therefore conclude that All Beliefs Are False is the Eristic Delusion, and All Beliefs Are Signaling is the Meta-Eristic Delusion.
To believe that Some Beliefs Are True is the Aneristic Delusion, to believe that Some Methods Of Belief-Finding Are True the Meta-Aneristic Delusion. However, to therefore conclude that All Beliefs Are False is the Eristic Delusion, and All Beliefs Are Signalling is the Meta-Eristic Delusion.
Reformed Crackpottery calls out both bluffs, by respecting the integrity of beliefs, while making it transparent that they are arbitrary constructs, not reflective of reality. All beliefs are crackpot beliefs, good cranks are just honest about it.

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title: Es gibt Leute, die sehen das anders.
date: 2012-01-17
tags:
- contrarian
- history
- jesus
- theology
- trolling
- unknown god
- way too many lists
techne: :done
episteme: :broken
slug: 2012/01/17/es-gibt-leute-die-sehen-das-anders/

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title: Non-Local Metaethics
date: 2012-01-23
tags:
- morality
- utilitarianism
techne: :done
episteme: :speculation
slug: 2012/01/23/non-local-metaethics/

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title: Why The Gods Are Trolling You
date: 2012-06-14
techne: :done
episteme: :believed
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(I actually intended to make this argument *after* I had presented a certain construction of (meta-)meta-ethics, and *after* I had more strongly motivated the [locality axiom][Non-Local Metaethics], but Things Changed[^changed]. You may have to fill in the gaps yourself for now.)
[^changed]:
Particularly, I saw [Grognor's tweet][grognor tweet trolling]:
> Rationalize that trolling is morally neutral and can be done responsibly so you can keep doing it without feeling guilty #lifehacks #muflhax
And I'm *appalled* by that suggestion! I'm not *rationalizing*! I have a complex meta-ethical set of axioms that has morally-neutral trolling as a derivable theorem!
I didn't start out with the conclusion here, I did proper meta-ethics and discovered it! I'm not *that* [biased][Es gibt Leute, die sehen das anders.].
(If you think I'm actually doing harm, tell me. I'm not deliberately trying to be a douche.)
Let's start with a simple definition - what's trolling? Trolling, [like crackpottery][Crackpot Theory], is arguing for positions that are not merely motivated by truth-seeking[^truth]. The major difference, however, is that a crackpot actually believes what they are saying, they just use an interestingness prior to select their beliefs. A troll is intentionally adjusting their beliefs for the specific argument, either in content ("lol bible says kill the gays") or strength ("I feel very strongly about this definition!").
[^truth]: Or rather, "believing without preferences", merely following the axioms of probability theory without any utility function. Not even Roombas do that.
Of course, all the good philosophers[^philosophers], mystics[^mystics] and hackers[^hackers] have, at some point at least, been engaged in trolling, but What Would Jesus Do isn't enough of an argument for us.
[^philosophers]: Schopenhauer even [wrote a book][Eristische Dialektik] about it.
[^mystics]: The Lord has said: "These people praise me with their words, but they never really think about me. They worship me by repeating rules made up by humans. So once again I will do things that shock and amaze them, and I will destroy the wisdom of those who claim to know and understand." (Isaiah 29)
[^hackers]: I don't think I need to cite [examples][Linus C++].
So let's do this from first principles.
The simplest is this:
- Moral action must always be possible.
There cannot be a situation in which every possible action an agent can take is wrong. The set of available moral actions is never empty.
This *should* be self-evident, just like the axiom of identity. Similar requirements exist elsewhere. For example, we have this axiom when it comes to rational beliefs:
- Rational beliefs must always make a difference in anticipation.
Beliefs are about *predictions* and *anticipation*, but if someone who holds an *irrational* belief makes *exactly* the same predictions in *all* circumstances as someone who holds the rational belief, then, well, you're doing it wrong.
Either the irrationalist is actually right and just uses a different language, or the rationalist is wrong and likely arguing about a meaningless question.
Similarly, morality is about *actions*. In rationality, you are presented with a set of possible beliefs and choose certain ones. In morality, you choose actions[^actions] in the same way.
So just as rationality requires that there is always a difference in anticipation and that the set of anticipated events is never empty, so morality requires a difference in action and that the set of available moral actions is never empty.
This does not, of course, require that those actions be easy, pleasant, certain or otherwise nice. [Sophie's Choice][] is still allowed, but not [Calvinism][].
[^actions]: Note, of course, that deliberately believing something *is* an action. Beliefs are not exempt from optimization. Don't be a rock.
This is already enough for us, it turns out. One meta-level down, we can now formulate the locality axiom:
- Only local information can be relevant for moral action.
If this were not the case, and moral decisions depended on global information, like say the entire history of the Andromeda Galaxy, then anyone who doesn't have this information - especially any computationally or physically limited agent like us - could not, in principle, do the right thing.
Thus, morality is always local.[^local]
[^local]: See [Non-Local Metaethics][] why this immediately rules out many meta-ethical theories like Average Utilitarianism.
But what does this imply?
Remember the Cartesian Demon, a being which is vastly more powerful than you and misleads you about the content of reality. Figuring out whether such a being exists or not is not possible with your computational resources. Thus, its existence is *global* information, not local - it *cannot* be morally relevant!
Dealing with an angel or a demon can't make a moral difference for *you* because *you* couldn't (in the general case) tell them apart in the first place. Whether you are being trolled or not is therefore morally irrelevant.
So it's clear that *being* trolled is morally neutral, but what about *actively* trolling someone?
Well, that depends on your intentions[^intentions]!
[^intentios]: I'd like to point out that locality automatically introduces the [Doctrine of Double Effect][].
For one thing, it is not possible for your actions to ever *screw over* another agent in the moral sense. (It might still suck to be them, though.) However, *you* also can't be responsible for consequences you couldn't locally have predicted, or else you might unknowingly bring damnation upon a Cartesian Stalker that chose to kill itself should you ever eat chocolate ice cream, a clear violation of locality.
So because others don't have an obligation to *hear* any particular version of the truth, you can't, in general, have an obligation to *speak* it either.
This doesn't get you out of jail for free, but it does, quite explicitly, allow trolling for the good[^good] of the one being trolled.
[^good]: Act only for the good. Leave the "greater" to God.
Which is why the gods are trolling you.

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So I wrote [three short dialogues][Against Pessimism]. So sophisticated![^sophisticated]
[^sophisticated]: I disproportionally enjoyed making those videos. In my future cult, all philosophical arguments will have to be in the form of short flash videos.
[^sophisticated]: I disproportionately enjoyed making those videos. In my future cult, all philosophical arguments will have to be in the form of short flash videos.
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